This is a black King saddle. I think the seat is 17 in., but I'm not sure if I measured correctly. It is made for a big and tall type of person. I am about 5'7" and I am unable to reach the stirrups at the shortest setting. It is not a particularly heavy duty saddle, but wouqld be a great trail riding or amateur show saddle. It has been roughed up a bit as it slipped under a horse's belly in a riding mishap, but it is in overall fair condition and the tree is sound and is definitely not cracked I had it tested. If you are interested in this saddle, please message me and I will get back to you asap. Thank you.